Information and ickiness on Java

Article: Fall Processor Forum 2006: IBM's POWER6
By: Tzvetan Mikov (tzvetanmi.delete@this.yahoo.com), October 27, 2006 5:12 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Rob Thorpe (rthorpe@realworldtech.com) on 10/27/06 wrote:
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>I've had a through look on the web. It seems that this issue has come up in the
>Java community. In particular William Pugh, Tim Lindholm and Doug Lea have looked at it.
>
>It seems that the original Java specs were vague on the issue we are discussing.
>Later it came to be accepted that it's possible for objects to be modified (due
>to reordering) before the constructor has completed! This is actually what happens
>in some JVMs. According to Pugh's page in the past JVMs on platforms with quite
>strong memory consistency still failed because of compiler optimizations people
>had put in without checking their validity.
>
>A JSR, number 133, has been written to change this behaviour. This JSR introduces
>the concept of "final" variables which solve the problem to some extent. JSR133
>will be fully implemented in Java 1.5 apparently, though some is in 1.4.
>
>This means current Javas are only really SAFE1 and future Javas will only be SAFE1
>too, unless all fields in objects are declared "final".
>
>See:-
>IBM developerworks article on the subject (see section on initialization safety)
>http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-jtp03304/
>
>Pugh's original description of the problem
>http://www.cs.umd.edu/~pugh/java/broken.pdf
>
>The draft JSR133 spec. See especially page 13 & 14 referring to this problem
>http://www.cs.umd.edu/~pugh/java/memoryModel/CurrentDraftSpec.pdf
>>
>
>The Java community process JSR133 page
>http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=133
>

The links are very informative, thanks. I've actually read JSR133 before, but I hadn't realized the extent of the problem particularly with respect to the object metadata/headers. It isn't really apparent that almost every non-local variable access conceptually requires a read barrier.

Most articles discussing this concentrate on final fields, which is a somewhat less interesting problem. Final fields aren't really "final" in Java - clearly they are normal variables and clearly they have values before they are initialized, not to mention that they can be modified by deserializing - so it isn't surprising at all that the original JMM didn't guarantee their values.

That seems pretty reasonable to me, and actually I don't think it breaks SAFE2. Unsynchronized access to a "final" variable could encounter a value of NULL, which has no danger of crashing the VM. It is a bug. It is silly to pretend that a final variable doesn't exist before it is initialized.

So, pre-JSR133 JVMs are SAFE2. (Otherwise they would crash).

In practice however lots of Java code (including some of the 1.4. library code aparently) is written with the assumption that final fields are completely immutable and safe for unsynchronized access. In that context it probably makes sense to make stronger guarantees about them in Java.

Personnaly, from a pure language design standpoint, I think that may be going too far.
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                                Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/19 04:08 PM
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                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/20 01:53 PM
                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/20 02:06 PM
                                      PSRicardo B2006/10/20 02:12 PM
                                        PSTzvetan Mikov2006/10/20 03:30 PM
                          Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/20 01:26 AM
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                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/23 04:06 PM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/23 11:55 PM
                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/24 07:35 AM
                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/24 11:26 AM
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                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/25 07:52 AM
                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/25 09:01 AM
                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/25 05:24 PM
                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentS. Rao2006/10/25 06:08 PM
                                                        Other approachesRob Thorpe2006/10/26 10:09 AM
                                                          Hang on I forgot the other approachesRob Thorpe2006/10/26 10:27 AM
                                                            Hang on I forgot the other approachesS. Rao2006/10/26 02:16 PM
                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/26 03:56 AM
                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/26 07:52 AM
                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/26 08:11 AM
                                                            "Safety" and different types of safetyRob Thorpe2006/10/26 08:58 AM
                                                              "Safety" and different types of safetyLinus Torvalds2006/10/26 09:26 AM
                                                                "Safety" and different types of safetyRob Thorpe2006/10/26 09:50 AM
                                                                  "Safety" and different types of safetyTzvetan Mikov2006/10/26 10:56 AM
                                                                    Exactly!Gabriele Svelto2006/10/27 12:29 AM
                                                                  message passing languagesFoo_2006/10/28 01:19 AM
                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/26 10:45 AM
                                                          RecapTzvetan Mikov2006/10/26 11:19 AM
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                                                              Excellent threadJasonB2006/10/27 02:57 PM
                                                                Excellent threadsp2006/10/28 12:38 AM
                                                              Information and ickiness on JavaTzvetan Mikov2006/10/27 05:12 PM
                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/26 08:17 AM
                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/26 08:57 AM
                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/26 09:38 AM
                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentS. Rao2006/10/26 02:51 PM
                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/27 01:26 AM
                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/27 08:40 AM
                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/27 09:06 AM
                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/27 10:53 AM
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                                                                        Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Linus Torvalds2006/10/28 04:29 PM
                                                                          Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Ricardo B2006/10/30 06:36 AM
                                                                            Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Linus Torvalds2006/10/30 09:57 AM
                                                                              Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Tzvetan Mikov2006/10/30 11:55 AM
                                                                                Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Michael S2006/10/30 12:14 PM
                                                                                  Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Tzvetan Mikov2006/10/30 12:20 PM
                                                                                    Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Michael S2006/10/30 01:11 PM
                                                                                      A reference would be nice :-) (NT)Tzvetan Mikov2006/10/30 01:32 PM
                                                                                        A reference Michael S2006/10/30 03:37 PM
                                                                                          A reference Tzvetan Mikov2006/11/03 08:57 PM
                                                                                            check your e-mbox (NT)Michael S2006/11/04 12:47 PM
                                                                                      Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?David Kanter2006/10/30 01:40 PM
                                                                                        Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Michael S2006/10/30 02:28 PM
                                                                                          Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?David Kanter2006/10/30 02:43 PM
                                                                                            Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Michael S2006/10/30 04:36 PM
                                                                                              Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?David Kanter2006/10/30 10:14 PM
                                                                                Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Linus Torvalds2006/10/30 12:53 PM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/31 11:25 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/31 12:59 PM
                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/31 01:38 PM
                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/31 02:02 PM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/31 03:54 PM
                                                                                Will reply tommorrow, very busy today (NT)Rob Thorpe2006/11/01 11:14 AM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/11/02 01:30 PM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentrwessel2006/11/02 02:06 PM
                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/03 02:39 AM
                                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/11/03 09:40 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/03 10:12 AM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/11/03 01:20 PM
                                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/06 03:42 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentEric Bron2006/11/04 04:47 AM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/06 04:13 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/04 12:29 PM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/04 02:54 PM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/06 03:54 AM
                                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/06 12:26 PM
                                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/07 01:54 AM
                                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/07 04:34 PM
                                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/08 02:29 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentrwessel2006/11/04 10:13 PM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentrwessel2006/11/04 10:23 PM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentMichael S2006/11/05 04:05 AM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/11/05 10:14 AM
                                                                                          unaligned SSE testsEric Bron2006/11/05 02:26 PM
                                                                                            unaligned SSE testsMichael S2006/11/05 03:47 PM
                                                                                              unaligned SSE testsEric Bron2006/11/05 04:23 PM
                                                                                                unaligned SSE testsMichael S2006/11/05 05:03 PM
                                                                                                  unaligned SSE testsEric Bron2006/11/05 05:28 PM
                                                                                                    Now results make sense. How about Psc? (NT)Michael S2006/11/05 05:37 PM
                                                                                                      tomorrow, it's 01:43 PM where I'm (NT)Eric Bron2006/11/05 05:44 PM
                                                                                                        I mean 01:43 AM (NT)Eric Bron2006/11/05 05:45 PM
                                                                                                      PSC scoresEric Bron2006/11/06 02:25 AM
                                                                                                        PSC scoresMichael S2006/11/06 04:28 AM
                                                                                                          PSC scoresIan Ameline2006/11/06 09:00 AM
                                                                                                            meaningful performance gainMichael S2006/11/06 09:33 AM
                                                                                                              meaningful performance gainLinus Torvalds2006/11/06 11:15 AM
                                                                                                                Dynamically resolved alignmentDavid Kanter2006/11/06 12:49 PM
                                                                                                                  Dynamically resolved alignmentRicardo B2006/11/06 01:46 PM
                                                                                                                  Dynamically resolved alignmentLinus Torvalds2006/11/06 01:48 PM
                                                                                                                meaningful performance gainEric Bron2006/11/07 02:23 AM
                                                                                                        RE: "I suppose we will have to continue to align" ...Not really :)redpriest2006/11/06 05:11 PM
                                                                                                          Your point?Michael S2006/11/06 05:47 PM
                                                                                                            Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.redpriest2006/11/06 06:30 PM
                                                                                                              Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.anonymous2006/11/06 08:36 PM
                                                                                                                Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.Linus Torvalds2006/11/06 09:01 PM
                                                                                                                  Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.Rob Thorpe2006/11/07 03:31 AM
                                                                                                                  Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.anonymous2006/11/07 07:27 AM
                                                                                                              link vs linqMichael S2006/11/07 02:04 AM
                                                                                                                link vs linqanonymous2006/11/07 07:13 AM
                                                                                                                  Thank you (NT)Michael S2006/11/07 08:04 AM
                                                                                                          Barcelona dreamsEric Bron2006/11/07 01:08 AM
                                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/05 03:14 PM
                                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/05 03:56 PM
                                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/05 06:52 PM
                                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/05 09:09 PM
                                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/06 02:25 PM
                                                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/06 03:48 PM
                                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/06 04:44 PM
                                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/06 04:53 PM
                                                                                                        A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/07 09:45 AM
                                                                                                          A common problemWilco2006/11/09 04:46 PM
                                                                                                            A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/10 08:29 AM
                                                                                                              A common problemrwessel2006/11/13 04:47 PM
                                                                                                                A common problemWilco2006/11/13 05:51 PM
                                                                                                                  A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/14 03:38 AM
                                                                                                                    A common problemLinus Torvalds2006/11/14 09:37 AM
                                                                                                                      A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/14 11:18 AM
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                                                                                                                          A common problemrwessel2006/11/14 04:13 PM
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                                                                                                                              A common problemLinus Torvalds2006/11/16 10:03 AM
                                                                                                                      A common problemCarlie Coats2006/11/16 06:38 AM
                                                                                                                        A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/16 07:29 AM
                                                                                                                    A common problemWilco2006/11/15 02:13 PM
                                                                                                                      A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/16 09:20 AM
                                                                                                                        A common problemrwessel2006/11/16 04:27 PM
                                                                                                                        A common problemWilco2006/11/17 02:20 PM
                                                                                                                          A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/20 04:14 AM
                                                                                          You are aiming too lowMichael S2006/11/05 04:19 PM
                                                                                            And you're aiming quite highRob Thorpe2006/11/06 08:00 AM
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                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/06 04:10 AM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/06 10:59 AM
                                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/08 02:47 AM
                                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/13 05:13 PM
                                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/14 02:15 AM
                                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/17 02:51 PM
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                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/27 08:10 PM
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                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentbandwidth2006/10/28 03:09 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/28 09:23 AM
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                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 06:52 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentJasonB2006/10/30 07:12 AM
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                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentJasonB2006/10/30 08:32 AM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 08:48 AM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentJasonB2006/10/30 09:21 AM
                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 07:31 AM
                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 07:43 AM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 07:54 AM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 08:02 AM
                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 08:12 AM
                                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 08:29 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 08:40 AM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentdraugaz2006/10/30 12:31 PM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/30 10:09 AM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/31 02:01 AM
                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/31 08:59 AM
                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentpgerassi2006/10/27 08:00 PM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentbandwidth2006/10/28 03:25 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentpgerassi2006/10/31 01:32 AM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/31 06:52 AM
                                                        pythonFoo_2006/10/28 01:51 AM
                                                          pythonTzvetan Mikov2006/10/28 04:55 PM
                                                            pythonFoo_2006/10/29 03:51 AM
                                                          pythonRob Thorpe2006/10/31 05:01 AM
                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/24 10:53 AM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/25 01:00 AM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environment (Lock-free structures)Ray2006/10/28 11:25 AM
                                            Language safety in a multithread environment (Lock-free structures)Linus Torvalds2006/10/28 11:58 AM
                                              Language safety in a multithread environment (Lock-free structures)Ray2006/10/28 04:47 PM
                                                Language safety in a multithread environment (Lock-free structures)Linus Torvalds2006/10/28 08:02 PM
                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentJuho Snellman2006/10/25 03:59 AM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/25 04:38 AM
                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentJuho Snellman2006/10/25 06:38 AM
                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/25 07:06 AM
                                                More on this topicRob Thorpe2006/10/25 08:41 AM
                                                  More on this topicTzvetan Mikov2006/10/25 10:17 AM
                                                    More on this topicRob Thorpe2006/10/26 02:02 AM
                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentJuho Snellman2006/10/25 10:33 AM
                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/26 01:48 AM
                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentS. Rao2006/10/23 03:40 PM
                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/23 11:38 PM
                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/24 01:02 AM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentS. Rao2006/10/24 12:40 PM
                                        Comparison to stack allocationRob Thorpe2006/10/24 03:09 AM
                                          Comparison to stack allocationS. Rao2006/10/24 12:32 PM
                                            Exactly, see my other post (NT)Rob Thorpe2006/10/25 12:53 AM
                          Language safety in a multithread environmentDavid Wragg2006/10/20 02:46 AM
                            Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/21 09:24 AM
                          Ugh, evil problemRob Thorpe2006/10/20 03:56 AM
                            Ugh, evil problemGabriele Svelto2006/10/20 04:38 AM
                              Ugh, evil problemRob Thorpe2006/10/20 05:47 AM
                                Ugh, evil problemGabriele Svelto2006/10/20 05:54 AM
                                Ugh, evil problemRicardo B2006/10/20 06:43 AM
                            Ugh, evil problemJasonB2006/10/20 06:17 AM
                              Ugh, evil problemS. Rao2006/10/20 08:09 PM
                                Ugh, evil problemJasonB2006/10/21 07:58 AM
                                SecondedRob Thorpe2006/10/23 01:53 AM
                          Copying GC Rob Thorpe2006/10/23 02:51 AM
                            Copying GC Tzvetan Mikov2006/10/23 11:13 PM
                              Copying GC Rob Thorpe2006/10/24 01:22 AM
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  z9 - Power5 connection?foobar2006/10/17 01:15 PM
    z9 - Power5 connection?David Kanter2006/10/17 02:03 PM
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        z9 - Power5 connection?rwessel2006/10/17 07:39 PM
          z9 - Power5 connection?foobar2006/10/17 08:38 PM
            Sounds like I should edit the article...David Kanter2006/10/17 10:48 PM
            z9 - Power5 connection?Jesper Frimann2006/10/17 11:59 PM
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