Language safety in a multithread environment

Article: Fall Processor Forum 2006: IBM's POWER6
By: Rob Thorpe (rthorpe.delete@this.realworldtech.com), November 2, 2006 1:30 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Linus Torvalds (torvalds@osdl.org) on 10/31/06 wrote:
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>Rob Thorpe (rthorpe@realworldtech.com) on 10/31/06 wrote:
>>
>>This is a demonstration of what I'm saying: If you have
>>a feature X that can be done in software, unless speed is
>>of the essence, or it's fantastically weird and low-level
>>it should be done in software.
>
>Hey, I'll happily agree with that.
>
>However, I claim that anything that actually depends on
>whether a particular set of cache-lines is in the L1 cache
>or not definitely falls under "fantastically weird and
>low-level".

I think your right about many things. Many things should not depend on whether or not a particular set of cache-lines are in the L1 cache or not. The behaviour of correct code should not for example.

I certainly think that memory ordering is low enough level that it should be handled with hardware. That's what I've said in this thread, but these last few posts have been talking in the abstract about these problems and their relations, not just about the memory ordering one.

>Similarly for a "does this individual 4-byte
>load cross a page boundary or not".

Really the best answer to that one is to make sure that words and pages are aligned the same so it never comes up as an issue.

>There are certain things hardware is fundamentally
>better
at, and they have to do with instruction-
>level scheduling and decision making. Those are things
>that software simply cannot do well, because software
>doesn't know the dynamic situation - and software will
>make the problem worse, because querying the situation
>at run-time just adds new issues.

There's certainly a trade-off. You could look at it this way:-

* How easy is it to do in software with reasonable performance?
* If it's easy do it there
* If not what information must hardware provide to make it possible?
* Now, can software be built to use the above information efficiently?

The fourth point is important and the failure of many solutions. Hardware can sometimes give software the information to figure out a dynamic situation, but not efficiently enough.

>So from a software perspective:
>
>- querying alignment on a single access basis is totally
>insane.
>
>- querying "is this in the cache" on a single access
>basis is similarly insane.
>
>- statically just saying one or the other is unworkable,
>because when you're wrong, you're taking a huge hit
>(whether it's a trap or just the fact that you used
>four times as many instructions to do an unaligned load
>even though it was actually aligned 99.9% of the time).

I wasn't suggesting using software to handle the situation of memory ordering. I was just explaining my general point of view. There might be a situation where software could be used to deal with memory ordering problems like the above, but to be honest I can't think of it.

The most hardware-minimalist thing that could be done would be your suggestion of treating cache accesses by another processor as restarts. I'm not sure if that would be entirely OK in all situations though.

Memory ordering is something that requires hardware. But that's not to say that strong ordering should be preferred at all times. Weaker ordering is much easier to implement and requires much less communication - communication being something that's an increasing problem. As far as I can see it would be a useful thing to provide.

>So hardware should handle things that are counted in
>the "tens of instructions" on its own.

Things that take very small amounts of time need to be dealt with by hardware. I wouldn't say "tens of instructions", because in some situations ten instructions take five thousand cycles (divides for example). Even then it all depends on need. Desktop processors could be built to do 4 viterbi butterflys per clock like DSPs are, but they aren't because so few people want to do this particular operation in desktop applications.

>We know that
>it can do that. It's not a "complexity issue", and it
>hasn't been a complexity issue for decades - these days it
>is more about just how well and aggressively you want
>to do it (eg how much effort you want to spend on
>doing it well).

Of-course it's a complexity issue. Any complexity is a complexity issue! How aggressively you want to do something is another such issue.

Just because complexity can be handled doesn't mean that it's necessarily a problem solved. Every time new functions are added into processors more engineering time is required to design them. That is one of the main reasons why processors cost so much today and their are relatively few suppliers of them.

>Software will happily do the rest, and take care of the
>truly "unbounded" complexity issues. But there is absolutely
>no point in pushing into software things that the hardware
>does know how to do, and knows better than software
>how to do.

Well in most cases no. But software is truely more flexible than hardware, in some cases it's worth telling software what's happening and letting it decide. Handling of page faults would be one example of this.

>That's like saying "you have to handle tons of problems
>anyway, so take the problems I could handle better,
>just because I'd rather not do it". If you don't see what's
>wrong with that kind of argument, I don't know what I can
>say.

Whether it's wrong or not in general depends on the situation. It ought not really to be analogised to be about individuals as you have done above. It's about system partitioning. The partition lines should be drawn according to what provides the best solution on time and budget and what will allow that to continue happening in the future.

My example of the gadget I've been involved with is a good example. Company B in my previous example had software that for embedded software is very complex. Probably they decided to implement some of the lower level protocol bits in hardware because their software department was so busy. But this wasn't a good decision because changes were needed later and hardware in much harder to change, they should have hired more software guys. As a result they paid a large price.

>Software has quite enough on its plate already, and people
>are trying to worry about the high-level problems.
>
>The last thing sw people need is a whiny hw person that
>says "can't you handle the problems I already know how to
>solve better than you, too? You're so good at problems.."

It all depends on the problem. If the hardware solution is cost-effective and long term then it's probably a good solution. But often it isn't it's just a short term hack or not cost-effective.

I'll give you another example. I'm involved in some antenna design for a computer with many antennas in it. Some of the radios interfer with each other badly. I could fix this by moving the antenna around and redesigning some of them. But I'm not going to, I'm going to get the software to inhibit transmitting down some lines while other radios are in use. This solution will be more hassle for the radios and probably more hassle for me. But it has the advantage that it will continue to work well into the future. If I took the option of rearranging the antennas then when the next set of machines have to be designed I'd have to solve the interference all over again, and it would be harder.

Something that software people often don't appreciate about hardware is that it's mostly about solved problems. The majority of effort in software goes into solving problems that are already really mostly solved, just tweaking them here and there. But in hardware almost all the effort goes in this direction.

>In other words, hardware can do the "micro-optimizations"
>that software simply doesn't have the time for. That's
>what Core 2 largely does, and daamn, Core 2 is doing
>fine. It tells the sw to not sweat the small stuff,
>because it can handle it.

Well Core2 is certainly very nice. But due to legacy it doesn't just do "micro-optimization", it does a whole lot more that's not really good use of hardware except in that it meets the needs of the legacy codebase.

>That's what it boils down to. Software should concentrate
>on what software is good at, and hardware should do what
>hardware is good at. It's not an "either or" situation.
>
>It's a symbiosis - a combination of strengths. The things
>that hardware does well are often things that software is
>not so good at, and vice versa.

I agree. But most current hardware doesn't really do that. Core2 certainly doesn't its design is not based on any sensible splitting up of tasks between hardware and software. It's design is based on the needs of the large legacy of x86 applications. As a result it's a big, messy, complex beast.

To get a design which makes a sensible split between the two you need to study the problem, which is what Hennessey and Patterson did for example when they invented RISC.
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                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/27 09:06 AM
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                                                                        Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Linus Torvalds2006/10/28 04:29 PM
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                                                                            Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Linus Torvalds2006/10/30 09:57 AM
                                                                              Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Tzvetan Mikov2006/10/30 11:55 AM
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                                                                                    Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Michael S2006/10/30 01:11 PM
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                                                                                        A reference Michael S2006/10/30 03:37 PM
                                                                                          A reference Tzvetan Mikov2006/11/03 08:57 PM
                                                                                            check your e-mbox (NT)Michael S2006/11/04 12:47 PM
                                                                                      Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?David Kanter2006/10/30 01:40 PM
                                                                                        Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Michael S2006/10/30 02:28 PM
                                                                                          Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?David Kanter2006/10/30 02:43 PM
                                                                                            Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Michael S2006/10/30 04:36 PM
                                                                                              Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?David Kanter2006/10/30 10:14 PM
                                                                                Why OoO stores are evil but OoO loads are o.k.?Linus Torvalds2006/10/30 12:53 PM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/31 11:25 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/31 12:59 PM
                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/31 01:38 PM
                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/31 02:02 PM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/31 03:54 PM
                                                                                Will reply tommorrow, very busy today (NT)Rob Thorpe2006/11/01 11:14 AM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/11/02 01:30 PM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentrwessel2006/11/02 02:06 PM
                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/03 02:39 AM
                                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/11/03 09:40 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/03 10:12 AM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/11/03 01:20 PM
                                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/06 03:42 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentEric Bron2006/11/04 04:47 AM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/06 04:13 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/04 12:29 PM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/04 02:54 PM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/06 03:54 AM
                                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/06 12:26 PM
                                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/07 01:54 AM
                                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/07 04:34 PM
                                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/08 02:29 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentrwessel2006/11/04 10:13 PM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentrwessel2006/11/04 10:23 PM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentMichael S2006/11/05 04:05 AM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/11/05 10:14 AM
                                                                                          unaligned SSE testsEric Bron2006/11/05 02:26 PM
                                                                                            unaligned SSE testsMichael S2006/11/05 03:47 PM
                                                                                              unaligned SSE testsEric Bron2006/11/05 04:23 PM
                                                                                                unaligned SSE testsMichael S2006/11/05 05:03 PM
                                                                                                  unaligned SSE testsEric Bron2006/11/05 05:28 PM
                                                                                                    Now results make sense. How about Psc? (NT)Michael S2006/11/05 05:37 PM
                                                                                                      tomorrow, it's 01:43 PM where I'm (NT)Eric Bron2006/11/05 05:44 PM
                                                                                                        I mean 01:43 AM (NT)Eric Bron2006/11/05 05:45 PM
                                                                                                      PSC scoresEric Bron2006/11/06 02:25 AM
                                                                                                        PSC scoresMichael S2006/11/06 04:28 AM
                                                                                                          PSC scoresIan Ameline2006/11/06 09:00 AM
                                                                                                            meaningful performance gainMichael S2006/11/06 09:33 AM
                                                                                                              meaningful performance gainLinus Torvalds2006/11/06 11:15 AM
                                                                                                                Dynamically resolved alignmentDavid Kanter2006/11/06 12:49 PM
                                                                                                                  Dynamically resolved alignmentRicardo B2006/11/06 01:46 PM
                                                                                                                  Dynamically resolved alignmentLinus Torvalds2006/11/06 01:48 PM
                                                                                                                meaningful performance gainEric Bron2006/11/07 02:23 AM
                                                                                                        RE: "I suppose we will have to continue to align" ...Not really :)redpriest2006/11/06 05:11 PM
                                                                                                          Your point?Michael S2006/11/06 05:47 PM
                                                                                                            Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.redpriest2006/11/06 06:30 PM
                                                                                                              Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.anonymous2006/11/06 08:36 PM
                                                                                                                Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.Linus Torvalds2006/11/06 09:01 PM
                                                                                                                  Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.Rob Thorpe2006/11/07 03:31 AM
                                                                                                                  Actually Michael, it's quite a bit more than that.anonymous2006/11/07 07:27 AM
                                                                                                              link vs linqMichael S2006/11/07 02:04 AM
                                                                                                                link vs linqanonymous2006/11/07 07:13 AM
                                                                                                                  Thank you (NT)Michael S2006/11/07 08:04 AM
                                                                                                          Barcelona dreamsEric Bron2006/11/07 01:08 AM
                                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/05 03:14 PM
                                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/05 03:56 PM
                                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/05 06:52 PM
                                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/05 09:09 PM
                                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/06 02:25 PM
                                                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/06 03:48 PM
                                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/06 04:44 PM
                                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/11/06 04:53 PM
                                                                                                        A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/07 09:45 AM
                                                                                                          A common problemWilco2006/11/09 04:46 PM
                                                                                                            A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/10 08:29 AM
                                                                                                              A common problemrwessel2006/11/13 04:47 PM
                                                                                                                A common problemWilco2006/11/13 05:51 PM
                                                                                                                  A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/14 03:38 AM
                                                                                                                    A common problemLinus Torvalds2006/11/14 09:37 AM
                                                                                                                      A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/14 11:18 AM
                                                                                                                        A common problemagony2006/11/14 02:57 PM
                                                                                                                          A common problemrwessel2006/11/14 04:13 PM
                                                                                                                            A common problemAndi Kleen2006/11/15 04:24 AM
                                                                                                                              A common problemrwessel2006/11/15 04:42 PM
                                                                                                                        A common problemDoug Siebert2006/11/14 09:50 PM
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                                                                                                                            x86 versus other platformsj2006/11/15 01:57 AM
                                                                                                                          A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/15 11:56 AM
                                                                                                                            A common problemWilco2006/11/15 01:54 PM
                                                                                                                              A common problemCarlie Coats2006/11/16 06:44 AM
                                                                                                                              A common problemLinus Torvalds2006/11/16 10:03 AM
                                                                                                                      A common problemCarlie Coats2006/11/16 06:38 AM
                                                                                                                        A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/16 07:29 AM
                                                                                                                    A common problemWilco2006/11/15 02:13 PM
                                                                                                                      A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/16 09:20 AM
                                                                                                                        A common problemrwessel2006/11/16 04:27 PM
                                                                                                                        A common problemWilco2006/11/17 02:20 PM
                                                                                                                          A common problemRob Thorpe2006/11/20 04:14 AM
                                                                                          You are aiming too lowMichael S2006/11/05 04:19 PM
                                                                                            And you're aiming quite highRob Thorpe2006/11/06 08:00 AM
                                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/04 11:20 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/06 04:10 AM
                                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/06 10:59 AM
                                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/08 02:47 AM
                                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/13 05:13 PM
                                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/11/14 02:15 AM
                                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentWilco2006/11/17 02:51 PM
                                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentrwessel2006/11/04 10:11 PM
                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/11/03 09:58 AM
                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentbandwidth2006/10/27 06:47 PM
                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/27 07:52 PM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/27 08:10 PM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentbandwidth2006/10/28 03:17 AM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentbandwidth2006/10/28 03:09 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/28 09:23 AM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 03:26 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 06:52 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentJasonB2006/10/30 07:12 AM
                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 07:28 AM
                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentJasonB2006/10/30 08:32 AM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 08:48 AM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentJasonB2006/10/30 09:21 AM
                                                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 07:31 AM
                                                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 07:43 AM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 07:54 AM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 08:02 AM
                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 08:12 AM
                                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/30 08:29 AM
                                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentRicardo B2006/10/30 08:40 AM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentdraugaz2006/10/30 12:31 PM
                                                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/30 10:09 AM
                                                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/31 02:01 AM
                                                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentLinus Torvalds2006/10/31 08:59 AM
                                                                    Language safety in a multithread environmentpgerassi2006/10/27 08:00 PM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentbandwidth2006/10/28 03:25 AM
                                                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentpgerassi2006/10/31 01:32 AM
                                                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/31 06:52 AM
                                                        pythonFoo_2006/10/28 01:51 AM
                                                          pythonTzvetan Mikov2006/10/28 04:55 PM
                                                            pythonFoo_2006/10/29 03:51 AM
                                                          pythonRob Thorpe2006/10/31 05:01 AM
                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/24 10:53 AM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/25 01:00 AM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environment (Lock-free structures)Ray2006/10/28 11:25 AM
                                            Language safety in a multithread environment (Lock-free structures)Linus Torvalds2006/10/28 11:58 AM
                                              Language safety in a multithread environment (Lock-free structures)Ray2006/10/28 04:47 PM
                                                Language safety in a multithread environment (Lock-free structures)Linus Torvalds2006/10/28 08:02 PM
                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentJuho Snellman2006/10/25 03:59 AM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/25 04:38 AM
                                            Language safety in a multithread environmentJuho Snellman2006/10/25 06:38 AM
                                              Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/25 07:06 AM
                                                More on this topicRob Thorpe2006/10/25 08:41 AM
                                                  More on this topicTzvetan Mikov2006/10/25 10:17 AM
                                                    More on this topicRob Thorpe2006/10/26 02:02 AM
                                                Language safety in a multithread environmentJuho Snellman2006/10/25 10:33 AM
                                                  Language safety in a multithread environmentRob Thorpe2006/10/26 01:48 AM
                                      Language safety in a multithread environmentS. Rao2006/10/23 03:40 PM
                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/23 11:38 PM
                                        Language safety in a multithread environmentGabriele Svelto2006/10/24 01:02 AM
                                          Language safety in a multithread environmentS. Rao2006/10/24 12:40 PM
                                        Comparison to stack allocationRob Thorpe2006/10/24 03:09 AM
                                          Comparison to stack allocationS. Rao2006/10/24 12:32 PM
                                            Exactly, see my other post (NT)Rob Thorpe2006/10/25 12:53 AM
                          Language safety in a multithread environmentDavid Wragg2006/10/20 02:46 AM
                            Language safety in a multithread environmentTzvetan Mikov2006/10/21 09:24 AM
                          Ugh, evil problemRob Thorpe2006/10/20 03:56 AM
                            Ugh, evil problemGabriele Svelto2006/10/20 04:38 AM
                              Ugh, evil problemRob Thorpe2006/10/20 05:47 AM
                                Ugh, evil problemGabriele Svelto2006/10/20 05:54 AM
                                Ugh, evil problemRicardo B2006/10/20 06:43 AM
                            Ugh, evil problemJasonB2006/10/20 06:17 AM
                              Ugh, evil problemS. Rao2006/10/20 08:09 PM
                                Ugh, evil problemJasonB2006/10/21 07:58 AM
                                SecondedRob Thorpe2006/10/23 01:53 AM
                          Copying GC Rob Thorpe2006/10/23 02:51 AM
                            Copying GC Tzvetan Mikov2006/10/23 11:13 PM
                              Copying GC Rob Thorpe2006/10/24 01:22 AM
              Python + native extensionsFoo_2006/10/18 02:29 PM
                Python + native extensionssp2006/10/19 01:05 AM
  z9 - Power5 connection?foobar2006/10/17 01:15 PM
    z9 - Power5 connection?David Kanter2006/10/17 02:03 PM
      z9 - Power5 connection?foobar2006/10/17 02:33 PM
        z9 - Power5 connection?rwessel2006/10/17 07:39 PM
          z9 - Power5 connection?foobar2006/10/17 08:38 PM
            Sounds like I should edit the article...David Kanter2006/10/17 10:48 PM
            z9 - Power5 connection?Jesper Frimann2006/10/17 11:59 PM
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