Core 2 Errata -- problematic or overblown?

By: philt (ptay1685.delete@this.bigpond.net.au), June 30, 2007 12:57 am
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Dean Kent (dkent@realworldtech.com) on 6/29/07 wrote:
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>philt (ptay1685@bigpond.net.au) on 6/29/07 wrote:
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>>Lol at the free gasket. Although this is not really a fair analogy - here you are
>>talking about a fault that developers thru wear. The design fault that allowed the
>>excessive wear would parheps be much harder to track down since it only shows itself
>>after a long period of use. The design faults in cpu's can be detected at any time
>>- they do not develop over time thru wear. But I take your point.
>>
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>The problem was actually that they used two different metals for the block and
>the head - which expanded at different temperatures/rates. The 'solution' was to
>use a thicker gasket that (hopefully) would not leak because of this problem. It
>didn't always work. I had a friend that had to get a new gasket installed about
>every year until he finally got fed up and sold his truck.
>
>The point I was making was not that this slipped out of the design room, nor that
>the product was actually sold. That I can understand. How it was handled, however,
>was to deny any problem existed for 7 years and then offer only a feeble solution.
>Had they addressed it in the first year, they would have prevented 4 more years
>of buyers getting stuck, and probably could have offered a more permanent solution
>to those who actually discovered and reported the problem. In the end, Toyota
>did not really save any money and got quite the black eye for its behavior. Not unlike Intel and the FDIV bug.
>
>So, it is *good* that Intel and AMD disclose their errata. This way you actually
>have enough information to make an informed choice. Even if the bug is a real problem,
>Intel and AMD should be applauded for disclosing rather than trying to hide it.
>This also is a very good QA procedure - it forces them to be more careful in their
>design and testing, which in turn minimizes bugs. What I find amazing is that many
>actually cannot see this relationship, and results.
>
>Regards,
>Dean

I sympathise also about the head gasket - ive had the same problem with my Camry. Evidently Toyota dont know how to make good engines - yet.

I certainly agree that this is what Intel should do, and that it would benefit everyone in the long run, certainly the customers (the ones i care about most). I hope for the sake of their customers (im not one - i use AMD) they carry on doing it.

I just cant bring myself to applaud them for it. Encourage them to do it - yes. Complain bitterly and castigate them if they dont - yes. Even sue them if they dont - thats ok too. But I cannot bring myself to lick their boots simply because this week they decided not to rip me off.
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