By: Paul (no.delete@this.thanks.com), August 24, 2008 11:16 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Dean Kent (dkent@realworldtech.com) on 8/24/08 wrote:
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>The cost savings of an IBM mainframe vs. a 'PC farm' can be significant, which
>is why these customers have converted. People cost more than the hardware and software,
>and the larger your installation, the more you save with a mainframe. There are
>energy cost savings as well, which will become more important over time.
On the other hand there are psychological issues as well if you are used to running commodity PC hardware then having to pay a monthly fee just for the right to use the OS and then having to pay on top of that for the amount of processor time you use on certain applications is not a shift you will want to make, even if in actuality the IBM pricing scheme would end up costing you less.
For getting revenue out of existing customers the status quo works very well for IBM. However I think they would get a lot more business at the expense of x86 and RISC *nix based servers if they moved to a flat pricing scheme.
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>The cost savings of an IBM mainframe vs. a 'PC farm' can be significant, which
>is why these customers have converted. People cost more than the hardware and software,
>and the larger your installation, the more you save with a mainframe. There are
>energy cost savings as well, which will become more important over time.
On the other hand there are psychological issues as well if you are used to running commodity PC hardware then having to pay a monthly fee just for the right to use the OS and then having to pay on top of that for the amount of processor time you use on certain applications is not a shift you will want to make, even if in actuality the IBM pricing scheme would end up costing you less.
For getting revenue out of existing customers the status quo works very well for IBM. However I think they would get a lot more business at the expense of x86 and RISC *nix based servers if they moved to a flat pricing scheme.
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