savantu (savantu@email.ro) on 2/5/09 wrote:
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>Vincent Diepeveen (diep@xs4all.nl) on 2/5/09 wrote:
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>>Excuse me?
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>>When was the last time you ordered hardware?
>>What price would you want to pay for Tukwila versus Nehalem?
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>>>It is a problem however if money goes to Sparc/Power even if Nehalem
>>>has 2x the performance per socket and per thread.Sometimes that isn't enough and
>>>that's where the whole Itanium philosophy comes into play.
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>>Software gets upgraded in lots of companies. All kind of software from the past
>>already has been replaced long time ago. All that software already scales pretty
>>ok. It is NO problem to let single socket or dual socket machines do the job, as long as they got ECC.
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>>Very few softwareproducts can profit major league from 4 socket machines over 2 socket machines, pricewise seen.
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>>Basically we're speaking about AI engines such as my chessprogram where a 4 socket box is real cool to have.
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>>Note for 2009 even that isn't relevant much, as some total idiots decided single
>>handed to have a 8 core (logical cores) limit there.
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>>Yet there is a lot of other tournaments out there. Thing is, that is software that
>>doesn't run crucial services for companies now.
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>>Vincent
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>By the same logic SPARC sales would be 0. Yet, according to a friend from Siemens,
>all serious SAP installations they do are on SPARC.
>Explain that.
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>Tukwilla doesn't need to beat x86 ; it needs to beat Power and SPARC to be as a
>real cash cow for Intel.They're half way through this , with Itanium sales having exceeded SPARC sales last year.

"with Itanium sales having exceeded SPARC sales last year " - Excuse me? Did you drink the coolaid from Intel or HP on Itanium vs SPARC sales?-check your facts before making clueless statements. Last time I checked (IDC Q1-Q3CY08), Sun SPARC volumes exceeded Itanium sales by over 4x (13,802 vs 48,585 servers) and SPARC revenue exceeded Itanium-just look at Sun's CMT sales alone @ over $1BN-surpassing Itanium. Clearly, Itanium volumes will continue to hurt ISV ROI investments and with Nehalem scaling upwards, how can Itanium survive without any volume? Sounds like a similar fate as Alpha...

>The obvious problem is that HP benefits the most from this and Intel should take
>steps to improve the situation of other IPF vendors , mainly Fujitsu and NEC.
>Of course, the golden goose would be IBM. :)
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