ARM announces 2GHz netbook CPU

By: Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org), September 20, 2009 9:59 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Michael S (already5chosen@yahoo.com) on 9/20/09 wrote:
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>I don't believe anandtech measurements.

You don't believe measurements?

And instead you read some manufacturer whitepaper that
doesn't even say "load-to-use latency" but instead talks
about how many cycles it takes to access the array.

So don't be silly. Array access time is just a small part
of the cost of a L2 hit. You need to take into account the
cost of the L1 miss first etc.

And I don't know how accurate anandtech is, but I would
trust their measured values more than your kind of "one
part of the system is documented to be nine cycles, so it
must all be nine cycles" logic.

>Atom whitepaper says:

My 'lmbench3' run says that an L2 access on a 1.6GHz atom
takes 10.3-11.2ns. That's close enough to 18 cycles for my
taste.

It also seems to have a memory parallelism of 1 (using the
same benchmark), which makes it even sadder. So you have
a slow L2, accessed by a in-order blocking core. The end
result is not pretty.

>For me it sounds like 10-11 cycle latency.

To me it sounds like you don't actually know what you're
talking about.

I agree that an L2 hit shouldn't be as expensive as
it is, but hey, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Atom really does suck aborted baby donkeys through a straw.
I don't understand how anybody who clearly hasn't even
bothered to play with one wastes his time trying to make
excuses for it.

It works, and at 1.6GHz it's certainly going to
outperform five- to ten-year old machines, so it's quite
usable. But it's not "good" by any stretch of the
imagination.

It's very much a "plodding" microarchitecture, I have yet
to find a single area where it made me go "whee, that's
very cool".

Linus
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