Silverthorne and OoO vs. InOrd

Article: Computational Efficiency in Modern Processors
By: David Kanter (dkanter.delete@this.realworldtech.com), November 8, 2009 4:11 pm
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MoTheG (better@not.tell) on 11/8/09 wrote:
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>I still am surprised that the Atom scored so well.

I was as well when I was putting this together. Initially I just had high performance CPUs, and I thought for fun I'd throw in GPUs and Atom and see where they stand. I was more than a little surprised at the results.

>ofcause the benchmark was parallel and explicit at that, >thus there was no gain
>from OoO-processing but a factor of >3 ?

Well there wasn't a benchmark, but you are absolutely correct the metric didn't incorporate the advantages of OOO. Or caches for that matter.

>Doesn't the article make a good argument for keeping CPUs >and GPUs different?
>A CPU can not be as good at large parallel tasks because >it carrys its sequential strength as a burden.

Actually that strength really is a strength. Many workloads are very difficult to parallelize or vectorize with a compiler. Think GCC or most latency sensitive applications.

There's no reason why a CPU cannot have a bunch of massively parallel execution resources like a GPU and simply use the most appropriate hardware for the task.

From a physical perspective, the distinction is really about power consumption and memory bandwidth vs. latency.

A separate GPU makes a lot of sense where you need lots of power and memory bandwidth AND the CPU guys don't want to provide it. As you can see from Intel and AMD, they are now interested in figuring out how to work with the folks who do have those needs.

>with the GPU getting easyer to use (OpenCL, DirectX11, >CUDA, Brook+) and better
>connected (PEG), CPUs should concentrate on those tasks >that are to small to be off-loaded.

GPUs are getting easier to use means they are improving relatively speaking to prior generations. It says nothing about suitability for the general programming populace.

Explicitly parallel stuff is easy to exploit, and if you're going to rewrite software, then you need to compare optimized CPU code vs. GPU code. That's something NV has a big problem understanding - most of their magical 100X speed ups are probably comparing poorly optimized CPU code with optimized GPU code.

David
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Article: Computational Efficiency in Modern Processors by DKMoTheG2009/11/08 07:02 AM
  Article: Computational Efficiency in Modern Processors by DKnone2009/11/08 07:15 AM
  Silverthorne and OoO vs. InOrdMoTheG2009/11/08 07:22 AM
    Silverthorne and OoO vs. InOrdDavid Kanter2009/11/08 04:11 PM
      Magical 100x speedupsAM2009/11/09 09:03 AM
        Magical 100x speedupsDavid Kanter2009/11/09 12:41 PM
          Magical 100x speedupsnone2009/11/09 01:36 PM
            Magical speedupsDavid Kanter2009/11/09 03:24 PM
              Magical speedupsnone2009/11/09 03:40 PM
              Hardware SpecsMS2009/11/09 05:49 PM
                44x faster than a single cpu coreVincent Diepeveen2009/11/10 08:17 AM
              Magical speedupsVincent Diepeveen2009/11/10 08:02 AM
          Xeon 130x speedup vs XeonEric Bron2009/11/10 08:20 AM
          Magical 100x speedupsAM2009/11/10 10:42 AM
            Magical 100x speedupsLinus Torvalds2009/11/10 01:19 PM
              Mega speedupsAM2009/11/11 06:21 AM
        Bogus 100x speedupsDavid Kanter2009/11/10 01:26 AM
          No speedups for CPUs for the general programming populaceMoTheG2009/11/10 05:26 AM
          Bogus 100x speedups?2009/11/10 05:45 AM
          Bogus 100x speedupshobold2009/11/10 07:31 AM
          Bogus 100x speedupsVincent Diepeveen2009/11/10 08:26 AM
          Bogus 100x speedupssylt2009/11/10 10:00 AM
          Bogus 100x speedupsAM2009/11/10 10:47 AM
      GPU vs. CPUMoTheG2009/11/09 11:30 AM
        GPU vs. CPUa reader2009/11/09 07:58 PM
          ease of programmingMoTheG2009/11/09 11:45 PM
            yes for GPU programming you need non-public infoVincent Diepeveen2009/11/10 08:36 AM
              yes for GPU programming you need non-public infoPotatoswatter2009/11/11 08:06 AM
                yes for GPU programming you need non-public infoVincent Diepeveen2009/11/11 11:23 AM
                  yes for GPU programming you need non-public infoPotatoswatter2009/11/11 01:26 PM
                  Real businesses use GPGPU.Jouni Osmala2009/11/11 11:00 PM
        GPU vs. CPU?2009/11/10 06:01 AM
          2. try but most is said, just clarifyingMoTheG2009/11/10 10:24 AM
            2. try but most is said, just clarifying?2009/11/11 01:11 AM
              you missread meMoTheG2009/11/12 12:33 AM
                you missread me?2009/11/12 01:18 AM
            2. try but most is said, just clarifyingPotatoswatter2009/11/11 08:22 AM
              2. try but most is said, just clarifying?2009/11/12 01:22 AM
                loose, not so orderlyMoTheG2009/11/12 12:47 PM
                  loose, not so orderlyPotatoswatter2009/11/12 06:50 PM
                2. try but most is said, just clarifyingrwessel2009/11/12 01:01 PM
                  2. try but most is said, just clarifyingGabriele Svelto2009/11/13 12:39 AM
                    2. try but most is said, just clarifying?2009/11/13 01:14 AM
                      2. try but most is said, just clarifyingGabriele Svelto2009/11/13 01:30 AM
                      2. try but most is said, just clarifyingrwessel2009/11/13 01:24 PM
                  2. try but most is said, just clarifyingMichael S2009/11/14 01:08 PM
                    2. try but most is said, just clarifyingGabriele Svelto2009/11/14 11:38 PM
                      2. try but most is said, just clarifyingAndi Kleen2009/11/15 01:19 AM
                      2. try but most is said, just clarifyingMichael S2009/11/15 01:58 AM
                        2. try but most is said, just clarifyingEric Bron2009/11/15 02:25 AM
                          /MP optionEric Bron2009/11/15 02:33 AM
                            /MP optionPaul2009/11/15 09:42 AM
                              /MP optionEric Bron2009/11/15 01:22 PM
                        2. try but most is said, just clarifying?2009/11/15 03:13 AM
                          2. try but most is said, just clarifyingMichael S2009/11/15 05:14 AM
                  2. try but most is said, just clarifyingEugene Nalimov2009/11/14 09:24 PM
    Atom pointAM2009/11/09 09:00 AM
      Atom TDPDavid Kanter2009/11/09 12:48 PM
        Atom TDPhobold2009/11/10 07:41 AM
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